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Posted Aug 30, 2007 05:37 AM by Ktan

37 comments

And lo, from the heavens came this...somewhat controversial unit, the Terran Thor. StarCraft2.com has the details about the bipedal juggernaught

Though aesthetically quite impressive, the Thor has also been heavily criticised due to the sheer power it displayed at Blizzcon. It's supposed counter, the Terran Cobra, was quit shamefully pounded into oblivion, and it's lack of agility was nowhere near as crippling as previously thought.

Thus, concerns have been raised about how balanced it will be, and also, many player would rather not see Thor be the only viable counter to the Thor. Though entertaining at first, perhaps the Thor on Thor action would get boring after a while.

However, it is certainly an impressive weapon that will probably even wow the intellectually superior Protoss. Its fire-power is devastating to say the least and it's certainly no glass cannon. That, and seeing the barrage in action is just damned cool, forgetting any balance issues for the moment.

What do you think?


Schwitzer
1
Blizzard are hacking my computer!

It seems that whenever I try to load the Thor page, it crashes Firefox. How strange. Naughty Blizzard!

  Aug 30, 2007
06:49 AM EST

Shadow86
2
I'm really not worried about balancing issues. The game is presently in alpha stages, so Blizzard will probably take care of balance before the game comes out.

Needless to say, the Thor looks AWESOME!

  Aug 30, 2007
07:17 AM EST

MadTassadar
3
WEEE! lol 3rd comment and WTF? LOL! just use IE, Schwitzer. Sharows- YEAH! lol "damned" lol. anyways, why not the Banshee being the counter? and wat does the cobra look like? i wanna know

  Aug 30, 2007
07:41 AM EST

thedarkone32
4
I find this some what of a copy from the hulking behemiths of the warhammer 40k world, althought the large mechs of anime and manga have streched out to video game developers the thor looks like Blizzard just took an imperial dreadnaught and strapped Tau rail guns to the arms. Now personally I like the challenge of attacking a technolodgicaly supierior foe and if they dont have a counter then well just have to make do and use a combination of units to counter it.

But there is no doubt it is an aewsome unit!

  Aug 30, 2007
08:41 AM EST

Neratul
5
I really like how you change the website.
When I saw the thor I was amazed I never thought of a good terran unit for the terrans.

  Aug 30, 2007
10:00 AM EST

Protogod (Senior Moderator)
6
Neratul, we dont change the website. Blizzard does. Moreover, the Thor fails. That is all.

  Aug 30, 2007
10:05 AM EST

Tom
7
Behemiths...?

It is definitely StarCraft's Titan. The dreadnought resemblance is superficial at best, however. Although why it has legs when tracked vehicles are superior almost always superiour...

At least I have a clearer idea of what I'm writing about now in the Forbidden Knowledge series.

Most interesting to me was the fact that the Terrans had nanotech - I had no idea they had anything near that level of sophistication in terms of technology.

It looks cool, though. Interesting design - lots of moving stuff. It does not 'fail' anywhere outside of Proto's head.

I reckon air will have to be the counter. I didn't see much space on it for anti-air stuff, so Banshees and the like should be able to pummel it. Still, we'll have to wait and see.

  Aug 30, 2007
10:08 AM EST

TitanWing
8
I hate the whole update. The pink archons and the Thors.

  Aug 30, 2007
10:21 AM EST

Protogod (Senior Moderator)
9
" It looks cool, though. Interesting design - lots of moving stuff. It does not 'fail' anywhere outside of Proto's head. "

I challenge you to a debate. If you wanna see the broken bodies of your predecessor's, check this thread; http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=29359

See you on WB.

  Aug 30, 2007
10:37 AM EST

TitanWing
10
I'll be waiting.

  Aug 30, 2007
11:23 AM EST

masterofhobbiton
11
The pink archon is a team color, although I think if they're going to make archons and pylons the team color than they should do it for zealot blades and phoenix bolts and stuff too.

Hey, a reaver is in screenshot 48, I guess it's back in.

  Aug 30, 2007
12:33 PM EST

Protogod (Senior Moderator)
12
Screenshot 48 is old, and they made zlot blades team color months ago. Like, back when sc2 was announced, lol.

  Aug 30, 2007
12:38 PM EST

InfestedFirman
13
WTF whenever i try togo to terran sectuib itll say theres an error

  Aug 30, 2007
01:09 PM EST

Protogod (Senior Moderator)
14
You cant click directly into the terran section. Try going from the main screen into the protoss section, and then transferring from that flash menu into the terran flash menu.

  Aug 30, 2007
01:13 PM EST

DraskyVanderhoff
15
Stalkers could Perfectly counter the Thor !...
Just One Damn Thing: WHY LEGS!! WHEELS!!! It's the best creation that Humanity do and also without copy the nature ( maybe rock falling.. ) ... Really legs doesn't have sense...
Also Zergling vs Thor O.o jajajajja that will be funny ! GG

  Aug 30, 2007
01:42 PM EST

Tolis
16
@Drasky:Just hope they don't run out of energy.Thors are great with legs.I can't imagine them with weels

  Aug 30, 2007
03:53 PM EST

Naiiphs
17
What about air units? I don't think the Thor can even touch those.

  Aug 30, 2007
05:25 PM EST

Tom
18
Challenge me to a duel? You've yet to strike me in the face with a glove.

What is there to debate? I like the concept, you don't. Nothing we say will make the other change his mind. It's called personal preference. I've always found the Warhammer Titan pretty much the only giant war machine of its kind that I'm fond of, so making the Thor in its style is a plus for me.


As for balance, I won't be playing SC2 any time soon after it's released, so by the time I get to it some patch or other will have solved the problem.

Tell you what I'd like to see - some sort of ultra-long-range artillery unit capable of blind firing into the FOW. That could concieveably be a counter to the Thor - send a few spotter units, target the cannon - hopefully it'll be too slow to run away in time (at least to avoid major damage)

  Aug 30, 2007
07:13 PM EST

Kataru
19
Wait a second here...

The protoss have an "ultra" unit, their mothership, that they can only have one of.

The terrans have the thor as their "ultra" unit it seems, yet, I saw like 3 just massacring an enemy's defenses.

As a protoss player, I feel.. uneasy about this? Why do they allow the terrans more leniency with the thor? From what I saw, its power is comparable to the mothership >.>

Oh and...anybody wonder what the zerg "ultra" unit could be? Maybe the ability to build an overmind or something..

Anyway, my 2 cents, as awesome as the Thor is -- Blizzard seems like they're walking on thin ice here... balance-wise...

  Aug 30, 2007
07:22 PM EST

Ktan (Senior Moderator)
20
AFAIK, the Mothership is not limited anymore.

Also, it's similar to a Titan, I'll grant you that, but I'd actually say it's closer to japanese style mechs than anything out of 40K. One thing: Titans are even more ridiculously overpowered, with void shields that GET HARDER THE MORE THEY GET HIT.

So, to,thedarkone32, the poster claiming it was 'stealing' of 40K, I'm a little skeptical about that statement. Also, the large cannons don't really bear an awful lot of resemblance to Tau weaponry. Tau guns are a lot thinner and longer, they tend to only be large in one dimension. The Thor's guns are extremely bulky. If anything, it looks like a natural evolution of Terran Technology.

Also, even aesthetically, the Thor and Titan share very little in common. Titans are pretty much walking cathedrals, whereas the Thor, again, is just a machine. There's nothing spiritual about it, and that typifies Terran tech and makes it disctinct from the more aesthetically centred Protoss.

However, as concepts, they are similar, yes.

I'd like to see the Thor fill a similar role to the titan, actually. A rarely used heavy support unit. If it becomes as ten-a-penny as the siege tank in the Dominion, Raynor, Kerrigan and the Protoss may as well pack their bags now. :/

Conceptually, I really want to like it. I just know it's going to be the unit all the kids spam in sp using the moeny cheat. It used to be BCs in SC 1, whcih are easily countered. Now it's going to be BCs and Thors.

With Duty and Service.
K'tan.

*anything after the 1st line is bout the Thor

  Aug 30, 2007
08:01 PM EST

TOOL
21
I think the Zerg are going to need lots of overmind to destroy any Thor or MShips.
¿! The MShip is NOT limited ?!.

Yup Thor has similar thinks -mostly appearance- with Titans, but don't know.... I C more a big robot controled by a human -like in Matrix Revolutions-, maybe couse if u look carefully at Thor's movement, the physics are incredible -all the hands foot and body move like a giant human!-.

(For TitanWing), Also pink Archons I'm completely sure is team colour. but also do not like it at all.

Lolxlol that kind of Reaver(in Time to let the hammer fall) seems like a cocoon.
Dont like at all the concept of Samwise.(sorry have to say something about it)

In fact thinks is good this Big units, but Blizzard have to be very carefully about this subject. And don't think those Big units are going to be ussually used in Battle net.

I wonder that the Zerg ultra unit, will be the ozz and zerg hybrid "seen" in SC 1, not as a new race, but yes as a new unit.mhhhhhh

  Aug 30, 2007
10:10 PM EST

smasher25
22
Thor owns...

  Aug 31, 2007
03:57 AM EST

TitanWing
23
"Also, even aesthetically, the Thor and Titan share very little in common."

Very true.

Quoting myself from warboards:

"The Thor...the one unit I never wanted to see on sc2.com. This is the first time I've actually not wanted an update...means they still are planning on it being
It has HUGE balance issues when combined with a normal army. It can be proxied anywhere with the use of a single SCV, the Terran Cobra "counter" sucked against only a single Thor, it has the ability to devastate a choke point or cluster of structures almost as badly as a nuke, it has no hard counter...not even fully vulnerable to air.

Needs to go. NOW! I don't know why the fuck Blizzard seems to be unaware with these major in the game.
issues. The role of artillery is provided by the Siege Tank and the use of powerful, expensive units is reserved as a Protoss trait with the exception of the BC which is easily countered.

The Thor isn't just the "ground BC" it's even worse."

  Aug 31, 2007
04:20 AM EST

RubberBandit24
24
The Thor does seem overpowered, but I would definitely not want it scrapped -- just downgraded somewhat.

What with the Protoss Mothership, plus the ability to warp in units pretty much anywhere with Phase Prisms... If the Thor is scrapped completely, I think it's good night Terrans (least so far, I hope Blizzard really pulls through with the balance issue).

If the Thor is scrapped, then I'd definitely want the Mothership downgraded.

  Aug 31, 2007
07:16 AM EST

thenevermind117
25
it so cool but in my criteck form im would a said it suckes

thats me baby !!!

  Sep 01, 2007
03:36 AM EST

Pytum
26
nice unit, and about balance issues, blizz will take care of that its still alpha or beta, idk

  Sep 01, 2007
11:02 AM EST

SCRAYNOR
27
no AA...or defense against massed zerglings

in addition to my list of SC rip-offfs, the Thor needs to stabilize itself by using hydraulic stut things. like the seige tank....or like the Mammoth!

from C&C3

  Sep 01, 2007
01:47 PM EST

TitanWing
28
It has AA and massed lings aren't gonna work unless the dumbass sent a lone Thor without support. Which will never happen.

  Sep 01, 2007
05:03 PM EST

TOOL
29
Yup

  Sep 01, 2007
07:23 PM EST

SCRAYNOR
30
really? what does it use for AA?

  Sep 02, 2007
01:14 PM EST

13OXer
31
THor has some weaknesses: takes time to attack like tank to seige mode. Anyway I wish Zerg will be introduced quickly.(Been a long time not going to this website)


Cheers,

13oxer

-THIS IS KOREA-

  Sep 02, 2007
02:04 PM EST

FrEeK141
32
the thor is a good idea. Terran need something like that to add a little extra to thier attacks. yes it looks hectic at the moment but what do you think 10 zerglings or zelots would do to that? I have faith in blizzard and think they will balance the sides equaly. Imagine a large defiler that can borrow and move underground and carry zerglings or hydralisks as the zerg super unit

  Sep 02, 2007
05:56 PM EST

Faustin
33
They should add a minimum range to the Thor, so it can be countered with Zealots and Zerglings and maybe Marines/Raptors. Plus its vulnerable to air attacks. Plus its *probably* very expensive and needs buildings like a Physics Lab or whatever. Not to mention that on Battle.net people who fight terrans won't let him get there.

I for one think that the Thor is what the Terrans always needed: something that makes them just as tough as the Protoss and the Zerg. I'm really bored with the idea that humans always suck and the aliens always slap them around. Not to mention that - storywise - the Zerg should really get beaten this time. To the brink of exctinction. Its getting quite boring that the Zerg always win. Yeah, yeah, they lost in SC1... sort of... Their Overmind was killed, but the big guy was replaced, so what? That just bought them some time thats all. Kerrigan is, as she said, "pretty much the Queen Bitch of the Universe"...

And now that the Xel'Naga seem to have returned, the Terrans are really in need of a badass gun like the Thor... so I say its okay, and I trust Blizzard will solve the balance issue.

  Sep 03, 2007
04:01 AM EST

illisid
34
lol i like how titanwing and protogod turn everything into WAR of opinions.

Yes it is unbalanced, but you havent worked with the new units yet so you dont know what balance is anymore. For all we know immortals could (and should) be able to eradicate that thing. (I havent seen anybody consider them yet) Have you guys considered this is a NEW game not just an expansion or a remake? for all we know the zerg could have invisible burrowing scourge or be able to infest protoss (which would be awesome) so dont condemn it before we know if there is a counter to it.

  Sep 04, 2007
10:07 AM EST

TOOL
35
Agree with the first paragraph of Faustin.
And If terrans get Thor, Zerg gets Defiler with Plague, Consume, Metasynaptic Node
(very usefull skills)

  Sep 05, 2007
03:26 AM EST

kain613
36
has anyone considered the Warp Ray as a counter?

  Sep 09, 2007
05:03 AM EST

Baronofhell
37
Or indeed the mothership The AA isn't that good against the MS.

Having said that, it will probably be downgraded somewhat before the final realese (I personally think it should fire slower), so don't panic yet. Blizzard still need to get the entire Zerg race up and running to the same degree as the Protoss and Terrans - I think only the Zergling, drone, and Mutalisk are confirmed so far.

  Sep 14, 2007
12:31 AM EST

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